Legislature(1995 - 1996)

02/21/1996 04:12 PM House TRD

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     JOINT INTERIM TASK FORCE ON INTERNATIONAL TRADE POLICY                    
                       February 21, 1996                                       
                           4:12 p.m.                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
 Senator Steve Rieger, Co-chair                                                
 Representative Beverly Masek, Co-chair                                        
 Representative Alan Austerman                                                 
 Representative Brian Porter                                                   
 Representative Caren Robinson                                                 
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Representative Jeannette James                                                
 Representative Irene Nicholia                                                 
 Representative Pete Kott                                                      
                                                                               
  TASK FORCE AGENDA                                                            
                                                                               
  -- DISCUSSION OF INTERNATIONAL TRADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE MADE BY           
     TASK FORCE                                                                
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
 Ms. `Pete' Nelson, Chairman                                                   
 World Trade Center Alaska Advisory Board                                      
 421 West 1st Avenue                                                           
 Anchorage, AK 99501                                                           
                                                                               
 James Burns                                                                   
 Petro Marine Alaska                                                           
 3111 C St.,  No. 500                                                          
 Anchorage, AK 99503                                                           
                                                                               
 Ben Barrett                                                                   
 P.O. Box 100600                                                               
 Anchorage, AK 99510                                                           
                                                                               
 Ms. Debby Sedwick, Assistant Commissioner                                     
 Division of Trade & Development                                               
 Department of Commerce & Economic Development                                 
 3601 C Street, Suite 700                                                      
 Anchorage, AK 99503-5934                                                      
                                                                               
 Dan Rowley                                                                    
 2515 A Street                                                                 
 Anchorage, AK 99503                                                           
                                                                               
 Lee Wareham                                                                   
 24865 Teal Loop                                                               
 Chugiak, AK 99567                                                             
                                                                               
 Mark Wilson                                                                   
 1400 West Benson, No. 150                                                     
 Anchorage, AK 99503                                                           
                                                                               
 Ron Sheardown                                                                 
 717 L Street, No. 7                                                           
 Anchorage, AK 99504                                                           
                                                                               
 Bob Stiles                                                                    
 711 H Street, No. 600                                                         
 Anchorage, AK 99501                                                           
                                                                               
 Patrick Burden                                                                
 421 West 1st Avenue, No. 310                                                  
 Anchorage, AK  99501                                                          
                                                                               
 Patrick Rumley                                                                
 405 West 36th Street, Suite 203                                               
 Anchorage, AK 99503                                                           
                                                                               
 Tim Lane                                                                      
 International Trade Consultant                                                
 North Carolina                                                                
                                                                               
 Ms. Robin Zerbel                                                              
 World Trade Center Alaska                                                     
 421 West 1st Avenue, Suite 300                                                
 Anchorage, AK 99501                                                           
                                                                               
 Ron Noel                                                                      
 3230 C Street                                                                 
 Anchorage, AK 99503                                                           
                                                                               
 Kevin Krauklis                                                                
 3253 Riverview Drive                                                          
 Fairbanks, AK 99709                                                           
                                                                               
 Charles Neff                                                                  
 University of Alaska, Anchorage                                               
 3211 Providence Drive                                                         
 Anchorage, AK 99508                                                           
                                                                               
 David Heatwile                                                                
 421 West 1st Avenue, Suite 300                                                
 Anchorage, AK 99508                                                           
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
 TAPE 96-3, SIDE A                                                             
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR RIEGER , Co-chair, called the meeting to order at 4:12 p.m.          
 He stated the purpose of the meeting was to consider a draft                  
 resolution summarizing the recommendations of the task force                  
 regarding the state's international trade and focusing on the                 
 budgetary aspects.  He then opened the meeting to public testimony.           
                                                                               
 Number 015                                                                    
                                                                               
  `PETE' NELSON , Chairman, World Trade Center Alaska, commended the           
 task force on the draft resolution, which, she said, does a good              
 job of balancing the current needs of the international business              
 community with available resources.  While it does not include                
 everything for everyone, it is a good start.                                  
                                                                               
 However, Ms. Nelson pointed out the draft resolution does not                 
 address one of the top priorities of industry, which is a provision           
 for an export finance specialist.  She also referred to the second            
 paragraph of the resolution, which speaks to providing a government           
 "presence" on trade missions to countries, and suggested after                
 "presence" adding the language "and protocol assistance," because             
 protocol is very badly needed in this issue as well.                          
                                                                               
 Number 112                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR RIEGER  said the task force could certainly consider adding          
 an export finance specialist to the resolution, but he questioned             
 the appropriateness and the practicality for the state to be doing            
 that kind of a function, as opposed to using the actual financial             
 entities already available.   MS. NELSON  responded there is a need           
 for an expert knowledgeable in international finance issues, and              
 the  state's financial institutions don't have that expertise                 
 available.  She pointed out that places like Seattle, New York and            
 Houston have international financing divisions or departments                 
 within their banks to handle the international finance issues.                
                                                                               
  SENATOR RIEGER  asked Ms. Nelson if she thinks this is something the         
 state should pay for.   MS. NELSON  acknowledged she does, because            
 she likens it to the people the state is already paying for to                
 assist international trade in the state of Alaska.                            
                                                                               
 Number 188                                                                    
                                                                               
  JIM BURNS , Senior Vice President of Marketing, Petro Marine                 
 Services, testifying from Anchorage, said he has been involved for            
 a number of years in exporting finished petroleum products out of             
 Alaska to Japan, Korea and, more recently, Russia.  He spoke of the           
 assistance he has received through the years from the World Trade             
 Center Alaska, which he sees as a very good mix between private and           
 public funds working towards a common goal.  His experience with              
 the other agencies and groups that are supposed to assist in                  
 exporting Alaska products or services overseas has been more on the           
 negative side.  He suggested the state of Alaska needs to have a              
 more coordinated effort with both a combination of public and                 
 private sector money, and the World Trade Center should be funded             
 and supported by both the state and by private enterprise.                    
                                                                               
 Number 282                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE AUSTERMAN  asked Mr. Burns for his comments on having          
 a export finance specialist in the state    MR. BURNS  said he sees           
 that as a positive move and a good beginning point for addressing             
 the question of how to create a Seattle-type model in the state for           
 Alaska companies.                                                             
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE AUSTERMAN  pointed out that with most banks, if they          
 have a housing specialist or real estate specialist, the                      
 specialist usually covers his own salary by charging a fee, and he            
 asked Mr. Burns if he would be willing to pay a fee for the                   
 services of an export finance specialist.   MR. BURNS  answered that          
 he thought he would, but he also added that perhaps something could           
 be modeled after the World Trade Center where public and private              
 sector funds go into a pool for services.                                     
                                                                               
 Number 335                                                                    
                                                                               
  BEN BARRETT , Vice President & Manager, Corporate Relations                  
 Department, National Bank of Alaska, testifying from Anchorage,               
 said he is leading the bank's efforts in looking at the Russian Far           
 East for business opportunities.  The bank's mission is to assist             
 in facilitating trade financing, letters of credit, transfers, etc.           
 for customers that are attempting to do business in Russia.  The              
 best way he has found to do that is networking with the people,               
 finding out who in the private sector is doing business in Russia,            
 meeting with them, and the most helpful source of that information            
 has been the World Trade Center.  He stated he is very supportive             
 of what the World Trade Center is doing.                                      
                                                                               
 Number 403                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR RIEGER  asked Mr. Barrett for his comments on a state-funded         
 finance specialist, or a user fee supported state employee who is             
 an export finance specialist.   BEN BARRETT  related that with                
 emerging markets such as Russia, it is a different situation than             
 it was a few years ago, and, as of right now, NBA does not have               
 that expertise.  They do not know of everything that is available             
 to help one of their customers, so he thinks it is something that             
 at this time is necessary and would be very helpful.  To fund an              
 export finance specialist, he suggested there could be some type of           
 membership structure, and it would have to be a private/public                
 partnership.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 475                                                                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE AUSTERMAN  asked Mr. Barrett how important he thinks          
 it is for legislators to participate in visits to different                   
 countries to initiate contacts and explore the trade markets.   BEN           
 BARRETT  replied he believes it very important, especially when               
 talking about Russia where the culture is that government is the              
 final word.  Having high level trade missions will open doors for             
 the business person to meet with the proper officials in that part            
 of the world, and the participation of high level officials is very           
 important.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 511                                                                    
                                                                               
  DEBBY SEDWICK , Assistant Commissioner, Division of Trade &                  
 Development, Department of Commerce & Economic Development, said              
 the recently completed survey offered some important insights and             
 suggestions.  The department agrees that there is a need for a more           
 coordinated effort with one point of contact, a need for the state            
 to take the lead in setting a strategic trade policy and vision,              
 and a need for the state to create a more business friendly                   
 climate.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Ms. Sedwick referred to the last resolve clause of the draft                  
 resolution which recommends a continued reduction of general fund             
 support for the fixed costs of overseas locations.  She said the              
 division has been working hard to reduce costs in their overseas              
 offices.  She said international trade is big business in Alaska.             
 Alaska's expertise lies in resource development and the natural               
 markets are in countries where they are undergoing resource and               
 industrial development and they can make use of Alaska's expertise,           
 technology and techniques.  The primary activity and demands for              
 Alaska's exports now rests in Asia and will continue to do so in              
 the distant future.  She questioned if this is the time to pack our           
 bags and tell our cash paying companies and the Alaska companies              
 that Asia is not a priority and that our overseas presence is                 
 expendable.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Ms. Sedwick stated she is deeply troubled by some of the                      
 recommendations that have been placed before the task force because           
 they do not reflect comments in the survey nor actions already                
 taken within their divisions.  She cautioned that slashing the                
 operations in Japan and Korea without careful planning will                   
 seriously undermine decades of effort spent securing Alaska's                 
 position in the most important Asian markets.  To be most effective           
 in the international market, industry needs government leadership             
 and trade promotion opening the door.                                         
                                                                               
 In her closing comments, Ms. Sedwick said it important to remember            
 the reality of our already strong trading partners in Asia without            
 closing the doors to new markets for Alaska's goods and services.             
                                                                               
 Number 617                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR RIEGER  asked Ms. Sedwick if she thought the industries her          
 office has worked with would contribute user support to keep the              
 overseas offices open as the general fund support is reduced.                 
  MS. SEDWICK  responded that the department hopes to leverage more            
 private sector dollars into the program.  If it reaches a point               
 where those offices overseas can't be maintained because of                   
 finances, she hopes that they will have the ability to go to the              
 private sector to ask for their help.  She has been in discussions            
 with ACVB and others about combining their Korea office with                  
 private offices that are already there in an effort to not have an            
 overhead figure for rent and utilities.  She is hopeful something             
 can be firmed up before the end of the fiscal year.                           
                                                                               
 Number 640                                                                    
                                                                               
 Responding to a request from Representative Robinson, Ms. Sedwick             
 explained the operation of their overseas offices.                            
                                                                               
 Number 675                                                                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON  asked if after being on the job for six             
 months, Ms. Sedwick was requesting time to work with all the                  
 industry people on where the dollars should come from to keep these           
 overseas offices going.   MS. SEDWICK  said when she came on the job          
 in September, it was very important that they reduce costs.  For              
 instance, in Tokyo, Japan, the tourism office and the trade office            
 have been consolidated, which will amount to a $40,000 to $50,000             
 savings during this year.  They are hoping to do the same thing in            
 Korea.                                                                        
                                                                               
  TAPE 96-3, SIDE B                                                            
 Number 758                                                                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MASEK  asked aside from the natural resources in our          
 state, why the Asian Pacific Rim markets are significant to Alaska.           
  MS. SEDWICK  answered that the natural resources is the most                 
 important thing.                                                              
                                                                               
 Number 737                                                                    
                                                                               
  DAN ROWLEY , director of business development for an architectural           
 engineering firm in Anchorage, said as a member of the Governor's             
 Task Force for Marketing Alaska, he had the opportunity to observe            
 the activities of the Division of Trade & Development, the World              
 Trade Center, etc., and the fact there is the need for a                      
 comprehensive strategic plan with respect to international trade is           
 very obvious.  Equally obvious is the need for a coordinated                  
 implementation program.  He observed that the multiple trade                  
 organizations each have some very talented and dedicated people               
 trying to do the job as they best perceive it, however, he has the            
 clear impression that there is no overall plan for a coordinated              
 approach.  He believes the private sector has the ability to                  
 provide the structure and it is an approach that is needed to focus           
 Alaska's international trade activities.  In closing, he said he              
 believes redefining the Division of Trade & Development's role to             
 be the state leader in foreign investment in Alaska is a step in              
 the right direction.                                                          
                                                                               
 Number 855                                                                    
                                                                               
  LEE WAREHAM  of Chugiak said he, in his work, has been involved in           
 the relationship between Alaska and the Russian Far East since its            
 very beginning in 1988.  He advised that the relationship between             
 the governments be maintained on a warm and friendly basis.  Since            
 he has been involved in international trade, he has watched to see            
 what works, and he has observed that the World Trade Center                   
 consistently does very well with their limited resources.  He                 
 recommended in considering how to consolidate and focus, as well as           
 to aim in a particular direction to carry out a defined trade                 
 policy, to look closely at the  World Trade Center and emulate the            
 successes that they've been able to achieve.  He also recommended             
 taking a close look at contracting functions that are probably                
 transitory with regard to trade because of the lack of inherent               
 stability over time in a lot of the requirements.                             
                                                                               
 Number 960                                                                    
                                                                               
  MARK WILSON , testifying from Anchorage, echoed earlier comments             
 made in support of the World Trade  Center.  He is looking forward            
 to the opportunity to work on these issues, and he expressed his              
 hope that the economy of the state of Alaska and the issue of                 
 export trade from Alaska will continue to grow.                               
                                                                               
 Number 080                                                                    
                                                                               
  RON SHEARDOWN , testifying from Anchorage, said he has made                  
 approximately 50 trips through Russia mainly dealing in mining                
 activities, and the World Trade Center and the Troika centers in              
 Russia have been very helpful and very vital.  He stressed the                
 importance of having someone from government along on trade                   
 delegations and having a working relationship in the emerging                 
 markets.  He also pointed out that the smaller business community             
 is getting very little help, financially, or loan support, or trade           
 support, which is very vital for the smaller companies working in             
 these countries.  He believes continuing trade missions are very              
 vital and export assistance is very vital.                                    
                                                                               
 An area that Mr. Sheardown finds is negative and problematic,                 
 especially in Russia, is with the university and some of the other            
 associated relationships there where staff people are running their           
 own businesses.  He said a major problem, especially in Russia, is            
 conflicts of interest right up to the highest levels, crime, the              
 graft and everything else that goes with it.  He asserted people              
 are running their own business and also representing both the                 
 university and other areas.  He suggested some of those areas                 
 really need to be looked at.                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 156                                                                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PORTER  asked Mr. Sheardown if he was speaking about          
 university officials in Russia.   MR. SHEARDOWN  responded that he            
 thinks there are problems here, too, with people running their own            
 businesses that are doing business in Russia.   REPRESENTATIVE                
 PORTER  requested that Mr. Sheardown send any specifics he has to             
 the task force.                                                               
                                                                               
  BOB STILES , testifying from Anchorage, said over a 15-year period           
 most of his trade activity has been in the marketing of steam coal.           
 His corporation has worked with the Office of International Trade,            
 primarily in Anchorage, with very limited involvement with the                
 office in Japan.  They have also worked with the World Trade Center           
 and U.S. Foreign Commercial Service and have found both of their              
 services extremely useful.  His corporation has found there is a              
 very definite need for a coordinated and cooperative strategic plan           
 to pull together the public/private sector work.  In the areas                
 where they've have contacted the Office of International Trade, it            
 has been responsive to their requests, but he believes that                   
 particular division has suffered from lack of leadership, mission             
 and direction for an extended period of time.  He suggested the               
 task force should try to come up with some way to eliminate some of           
 the political football characteristics of that office.  Concluding,           
 Mr. Stiles voiced support for the draft resolution.                           
                                                                               
 Number 226                                                                    
                                                                               
  PATRICK BURDEN , Northern Economics, testifying from Anchorage,              
 requested expansion of the international trade program within the             
 state.  He believes there is a need for an international finance              
 specialist or an export finance assistance center to provide direct           
 export finance counseling to businesses.  He also thinks it is                
 necessary for the state to participate financially in this program,           
 more at the beginning, and then the level of support could                    
 diminish.  It is also important that people who use a service pay             
 for it to offset some of the costs.                                           
                                                                               
 Number 273                                                                    
                                                                               
  PATRICK RUMLEY , testifying from Anchorage, stated he was testifying         
 as a private individual although he is a member of the World Trade            
 Center Alaska.  He noted he has had six years of educational and              
 work experience in Japan.  He stated his support for comments made            
 by Ms. Sedwick, especially her remarks concerning the importance of           
 government's role in contacts with the Asian market, as well as the           
 importance of the Asian market, in general.  He attributes part of            
 the problem with the present office in Japan to the need for a                
 clear definition of what is expected of the people who run those              
 offices instead of setting up too broad a mission for these people,           
 or not defining any mission at all.  He also believes there is a              
 need for a public and a private sector partnership, and that                  
 continuity is critical, particularly in Asia.                                 
                                                                               
 Number 320                                                                    
                                                                               
  TIM LANE , International Trade Consultant, testifying from North             
 Carolina, speaking to the issue of foreign offices, explained that            
 the correlation between the perceived need to maintain foreign                
 offices in the actual export of Alaska's natural resources in the             
 Asian Pacific Rim is very weak.  For example, a substantial amount            
 of Alaska seafood is exported to Japan and Korea, however, the                
 primary transactions themselves aren't handled in Alaska.  The                
 primary export of Alaska seafood, with the exception of marginal              
 producers and specialty products producers, takes place via                   
 intermediaries in Seattle.  Also, the demand for Alaska timber well           
 exceeds the supply, its customers are well established, and primary           
 timber exported at the lowest level use either intermediaries or              
 specialized trade techniques with well-established partners.  In              
 the mineral industry there are only a handful of Alaskan large                
 mineral producers who conduct exports, and most of the companies              
 have in-house expertise already in place and are among the last               
 people who need assistance with the establishment of an export                
 marketing strategy.  He reiterated that while Japan and Korea are             
 the primary recipients for natural resources, the natural                     
 resources, which are actually exporting, have among the lowest                
 export assistance needs of any industry classification in the                 
 state.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Mr. Lane said foreign offices are appropriate in some conditions              
 for some states.  Research that he has been doing reveals that                
 manufacturing companies can benefit from foreign offices in many              
 ways because the export marketing strategies for manufacturing                
 companies are substantially different than those for natural                  
 resource companies.  However, these are usually more appropriate              
 for manufacturing states like California, New York and Kentucky.              
                                                                               
 Mr. Lane said for natural resource states' economies, the approach            
 which is necessary is a more global flexible approach.  The market            
 essential for companies in the highly technologically competitive             
 Korean and Japanese markets is very low.  The opportunities lie in            
 emerging markets such as Indonesia, Malaysia, etc.                            
                                                                               
 Number 414                                                                    
                                                                               
  ROBIN ZERBEL , Director, World Trade Center, Anchorage, stated she           
 would like to see the issue of export finance assistance as part of           
 the draft resolution.  The export finance assistance program is a             
 very clear-cut project, with an investment of $200,000 per year.              
 She said the trade center has been trying to get a program like               
 this going for four years.                                                    
                                                                               
  TAPE 96-4, SIDE A                                                            
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
 Ms. Zerbel noted that numerous financial institutions support an              
 export finance assistance program, and she urged it be included in            
 the resolution, because it is the highest and best use of state               
 dollars.                                                                      
 Number 035                                                                    
                                                                               
  RON NOEL , General Counsel, Tesoro Alaska Petroleum Co. in                   
 Anchorage, has been involved in activities of various types in                
 Russia since 1991, representing clients, and, most recently,                  
 Tesoro.  Throughout that five-year period, he has been associated             
 in one way or another with the people at the World Trade Center and           
 it has been an invaluable service to him and his clients.                     
                                                                               
 Mr. Noel echoed previous statements about the need for export                 
 finance assistance expertise and further assistance to find ways to           
 allow Alaska banks to get involved in the process.                            
                                                                               
 Number 124                                                                    
                                                                               
  KEVIN KRAUKLIS , a Fairbanks businessman testifying from Fairbanks,          
 supports active state participation in trade missions where the               
 private sector participation is of sufficient strength to finance             
 the state's participation.  He believes it is also a more                     
 appropriate way of financing offices in Japan and Korea.  He said             
 if the private sector is not willing to step up to the plate and              
 pay for those offices, or a significant portion of those offices,             
 then one has to wonder why they are there.  He also voiced his                
 support for an export finance assistance program.                             
                                                                               
 Number 227                                                                    
                                                                               
  CHARLES NEFF , representing the University of Alaska Anchorage and           
 testifying from Anchorage, said he is director of the American                
 Russian Center, as well as director of the Alaska Center for                  
 International Business in the Office of Russian Affairs.  He said             
 in the development of foreign markets, much of what is done within            
 the state of Alaska is to help businesses establish new activities            
 in foreign markets and to support the activities.  The American               
 Russian Center has been involved in training Russians and has so              
 far involved more than 6,000 Russians in various kinds of training            
 programs.  As the market in the Russian Far East begins to develop,           
 it is a resource that is going to be very valuable to Alaskan                 
 businesses.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Addressing the draft resolution, Mr. Neff said behind that                    
 resolution is a report that suggests changes that require a lot               
 more examination.  One is the transfer of the endowment of the                
 Alaska Center for International Business to the Department of                 
 Revenue, and he believes that it is premature to close down the               
 Alaska Center for International Business without a thorough review            
 of its work and its current services to the state.                            
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MASEK  asked Mr. Neff if he would describe the                
 operation of the American Russian Center and how he thinks it is              
 going to help the state of Alaska.  MR. NEFF explained the American           
 Russian Center programs are sponsored by three separate grants.  He           
 added that these are not funds that are designated to directly help           
 Alaskan businesses except to the extent that they have tried to               
 provide connections between potential Russian businesses and                  
 Alaskan businesses.  They are responsible through the university              
 contract to the federal agencies to achieve the goals they have               
 promised to address during the course of the contracts.                       
                                                                               
 Number 366                                                                    
                                                                               
  DAVID HEALTWILE , President of the Alaska Russia Company, testifying         
 from Anchorage, related that in the three years his small company             
 has been in business, they have sold a little over $15 million                
 worth of goods to Russia.  He said their competition is the "big              
 boys" down south who are closer to manufacturers; they are better             
 financed and they have some focused government programs working for           
 them.  Although he receives very meaningful help from the World               
 Trade Center's Troika program, he said the state could help in two            
 ways:  one is to continue to provide him with the trade leads                 
 similar to what he is receiving from the World Trade Center, and              
 the second is to provide some means of export financing.                      
                                                                               
 Number 418                                                                    
                                                                               
 There being no further witnesses to testify,  SENATOR RIEGER  stated          
 it was his intent to have one more meeting after the task force               
 takes the comments it has received under advisement and has another           
 draft resolution prepared.  He then adjourned the meeting at 6:05             
 p.m.                                                                          
                                                                               

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